If you miss(ed) the Public Info meeting 7pm Thursday Apr 11 at the M Hall, don't forget to attend an OCP presentation to see what is proposed for the new Official Community Plan (see meetings Apr 16th and 18th, Section C) or watch OCP presentations on TV Apr 15th (at Ccl mtg) and repeat of Apr 6th's on Apr 23rd.  Ask for a workbook to record your opinions and hand in to the Planning Dept.  The DEADLINE for public input for this stage which determines what gets into the draft bylaw to go to Council is April 26th.

Special address for condolences to the Queen in Section F.

The book of condolences for WV residents to sign is at the Library.

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A       QUESTION

B       APR 15th CCL AGENDA (main items); sent Apr 9/10th (no supplementals yet)

C       EVENTS & CMTE MEETINGS to Apr 29

                [* agenda in second half; ~ in last issue; ^ notes in E]                                       

D       APR 8th CCL MTG NOTES  -- WV's 90th Birthday!

                Ferndale back to the drawing board; "cosmetic" pesticides;

E       UPDATES and Cmte Meeting Notes

                Cmnty Day; Finance Advisory Cmte Notes

F       INFObits - How to address a letter of condolence to Queen              

G       QUOTATION

H       APR 15th AGENDA (Abbreviated) - Supplementals not included

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Wasn't she an inspiration?

From the International Guardian Weekly, 2002 Apr 4 - 10, p 10, in the obituary for Her Majesty, the Queen Mother:

She would have seen as her own most important message the advice she gave to students as chancellor of London University:

B       APR 15th CCL AGENDA (main items), TV live 7:30, repeated 16th Tues 9pm

Please look at this.  Cclr Wms pointed out that one of the changes wd be to have ccl mtgs start at 7pm rather than the present 7:30.  This bylaw refers to mtg procedures denying residents the right during a meeting to provide relevant information to an advisory body if they note something incorrect or incomplete wrt the motion.  Sad.

Staff to be directed to proceed with a comprehensive report on the existing acquisition policy and future waterfront plan options for public discussion; the demolition of 1538 Argyle Avenue and conversion to interim public park use

Manager, Park Services, Final Draft; staff to prepare for Council's consideration, a detailed operational and financial implementation plan including necessary bylaw amendments.

Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District (GVS&DD) be advised of Council's concurrence in awarding a five-year Yard Waste and Mixed Wood Waste Recycling Services contract, revised RFP to highest rated proponent

re limitations on commercial dog walking on Hollyburn Ridge trails

receipt, no notification, lot line reconfiguration permit to be issued

Information/Correspondence listed below (Section H).

                [* agenda in second half; ~ in last issue; ^ notes in E]                                       

- 7:30am at Hollyburn Country Club - WVCC Breakfast Mtg {See Updates, Section E}

This is the AGM for the Coho Society of the North Shore.

Guest Speaker: Dr. John C. Davis, Regional Director General Pacific Region,

Department of Fisheries and Oceans. Dr. Davis is an internationally

recognized Marine Scientist, and he will be talking about the biological and

political factors affecting salmon stocks.  He will also comment about

- 5:30pm - HAC~

- 7pm - School District #45 - Regular Business Mtg

- 7pm - "Ratepayer Roundtable" - by registration (OCP Proposals)

- 5 - 7pm - Special Mtg of Planning AC~ re OCP Draft Discussion Papers

- 6pm - Finance Adv Cmte*^ - Time later changed to 5:30; see notes in Section E

- 7pm - OCPRG [cancelled]

= *** 7pm THURSDAY, Apr 11 *** OCP Open Public Information Meeting at M Hall ***

- Also Thursday 3:30 pm, YAC~ and DAC~ at 4:30

noon to 1:30 at Cheers Restaurant, 125 East 2nd St, NV

$22 - call 922-6614, fax 922-6436, write info@westvanchamber.com

= TUESDAY APR 16th and THURSDAY APR 18th see below; OCP Review presentations for general public, in Ccl Chambers

- 5 to 7pm - WV Chamber Boardroom - BUSINESS AFTER BUSINESS SOCIAL -

This event is a great opportunity to drop by on your way home from work, enjoy a beverage and appetizer, meet other Chamber members, and pass out some business cards. The Business After Business Social is sponsored by members for members; guests will have an opportunity to sample culinary specialties prepared by our restaurant sponsor and learn more about other sponsor members' businesses in a relaxed atmosphere.

- 5:30pm - Finance AC*

- 6:15pm - LibBd*

- 7pm - Bd of Variance*

- 7pm - PEAC*

- 8am - check where/when OCPSC will meet

- 8:45am - RFPSC* [hilarious]

- 3:30pm - YAC; 6pm - NSFCYJC

- 7:30pm - OCP Review presentations for general public, in Ccl Chambers

TransLink meeting at WV M Hall, 8 - 10am; public welcome.

-------------------  at the West Vancouver Memorial Library  -------------------

Paintings by artists Ursula Allen and Helen Ott, "Honouring the Flower", will be on display in the Gallery.

- Author Visit - "Spider Robinson" - this prolific science fiction writer and Nebula and Hugo awards winner is "the antidote for entropy, the blahs, and the pernicious notion that humour and good grace are absent from the SF field." Spider Robinson will help us celebrate Canada Book Day during the North Shore Writers' Festival held at your local libraries. Join us for a fun evening of discussion and refreshments. White Dwarf Books will also be on hand with copies of Spider's books for purchasing and signing. This event is free, but please call (604) 925-7402 to register.

Presentation with question period WILL BE BROADCAST Tuesday, April 23rd from 9-11pm

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7 - 9pm Ratepayer Groups ' representatives: presentation and question period

= Wednesday, April 10th - OCP Review Group mtg  [CANCELLED]

Although infill possible in "established neighbourhoods", see map with proposed areas particularly identified for increased density, infill, duplex, multifamily

Hear presentation, ask questions

7:30 - 9pm - Presentation and question period

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Maps are available from the Municipal Hall; a limited number of maps, workbooks, housing proposals with b/w maps available from ADRA, please phone Donna at 926-8649 and if no answer, leave a message at 922-4400.

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=== Friday, Apr 19 (to May 9) - "ROOTS REVISITED" at the Ferry Building Gallery

                        Mixed Media Group Alumni Exhibition

This exhibition will showcase the work of established past and present North Shore artists who credit their early shows at the Ferry Building Gallery with facilitating the development of their careers.

The exhibition celebrates the unique role the Ferry Building Gallery plays in providing emerging artists with a much visited gallery space in the Vancouver area in which to receive the promotion and development necessary to begin their successful careers

Some 22 artists will be featured, including Jane Adams, Carole Arnston, Bobbi Burgers, Cori Creed, Peter Kiss, Zoltan Kiss, Ross Penhall, Ian Rowles, Monica & Barry Shelton, and Stuart Sind.

Gallery Hours: 11am - 5pm daily; closed Mondays; Admission to all shows is free

THURSDAY, Apr 11 at 7:30pm  Spoken Word Literary Readings

Nick Bantock - author of celebrated trilogy "Griffin & Sabine" and "The Museum At Purgatory". Cost $5-A, $3-S/S/Members. Refreshments served.

TUESDAY, Apr 16 - Reception from 6 to 8pm

"Something Old - Something New"

mixed media by Kal Opre. Exhibition from April 16 - 28.

WEDNESDAY, Apr 24 at 10:30am - Russian Journeys

"St. Petersburg" - Join scholar, writer, producer, and film-maker Marina Sonkina for a presentation on Russian art, history and culture. Cost $10-A, $8-S/S.

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                        Audio-Visual Rm at WV Seniors' Centre

"Ethnobiology of British Columbia's First Nations", a presentation

by Dr. Brian Compton, Honorary Research Associate, Dept of Botany, UBC

= 7pm TUESDAY Apr 23 - School District #45 - Committee of the Whole Mtg

= WEDNESDAY, Apr 24 - 4:30pm - Planning AC

- 8:30am - RFPSC - check if on; 4pm - Police Bd; 4:30pm - DAC; 5pm - NSCDI

=== Thursday, 7-8:30 pm, April 25 at SFU Harbour Centre 291-5000

[details were in last issue]

===  Friday-Saturday, 9 am-5:30 pm, April 26-27 at SFU Harbourside

[details were in last issue]

=== FINANCE Advisory Committee Apr 10th Wed 5:30pm [See notes in Section E]

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4.      Official Community Plan.

5.      Other Items.

6.      Next Meeting. [Apr 17th below]

5.      Business Arising from Minutes.

6.      Reports/Referrals.

7.      Information Items.

8.      Other Items.

9.      Next Meeting.

10.     Resolution re Exclusion of Public Pursuant to s.242.2 of the Local Government Act (if required).

11.     Adjournment.

Please contact Laura Alonzi, Secretary, at 604-925-7097 should you have any questions regarding the Agenda.)

===  WEST VANCOUVER MEMORIAL LIBRARY BOARD - Apr 17 Wed 6:15pm

                Peter J. Peters Meeting Room, 1950 Marine Drive

...

5.      Department Head Report: R. Hunter, System Services

6.      Report of Chief Librarian

        Budget Amendment                                        ACTION

7.      Committee Reports

        a) Finance b) Infrastructure c) PR and Communication

8.      Liaison Reports:

        a) Foundation b) Friends c) InterLINK d) Community Services Adv Cmte

9.      Discussion of Official Community Plan: Helen Davies

10.     New Business

11.     Executive Session

12.     Date of Next Meeting: Wed May 15 at 6pm

For further information, please contact Lori Breen, at phone 925-7410.

SPECIAL MEETING - Operations Centre Conference Room, 3755 Cypress Bowl Road

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3.      OFFICIAL COMMUNITY PLAN REVIEW – Please review and bring your April 06, 2002 workbook outlining the Possible Policies for an Official Community Plan. PEAC is being asked to provide comments which will be forwarded to the OCP Select Committee.

4.      NEXT REGULAR MEETING – May 1, 2002.

The Board of Variance meets at 7pm in the Main Floor Conference Room, Municipal Hall on the third Wednesday of each month. The Board's purpose as required by the legislation is to consider applications to the Board that allege that compliance with applicable bylaws or legislation would cause the person hardship and the Board may order that a minor variance be permitted from those requirements.

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3.      APPLICATION 5718 (4475 Ross Crescent)

At the March 20, 2002 Hearing, further consideration of this application was Tabled to the April 17, 2002 Hearing.

Allen Price, Architect, requests permission for a proposed new single family dwelling at 4475 Ross Crescent with the following variances:

a)      6.25 ft. to the Combined Side Yard.

b)      16.5 ft. to the Front Yard Setback.

c)      1.7 ft. to the Minimum Side Yard Setback.

d)      8.0 ft. to the Rear Yard Setback.

4.      APPLICATION 02-001 (5920 Condor Place)

Synthesis Design, Architect, requests permission for a proposed deck addition to the existing family dwelling at 5920 Condor Place with the following variance:

a)      14 ft. to the Front Yard Setback.

5.      APPLICATION 02-002 (1466 Bramwell Road)

Alnashir and Nimet Tejani, Owners, request permission for a proposed deck to the existing single family dwelling at 1466 Bramwell Road with the following variances:

a)      6.2 ft. to the Combined Side Yard.

b)      4 ft. to the Minimum Side Yard Setback.

c)      11 ft. to the Rear Yard Setback.

6.      APPLICATION 02-003 (2950 Palmerston Avenue)

Shawn Hilliard, Somerset Homes, Contractor, requests permission for a proposed accessory building to the existing family dwelling at 2950 Palmerston Avenue with the following variance:

a)      4.5 ft. to the Minimum Side Yard Setback.

7.      APPLICATION 02-004 (2731 Mathers Avenue)

Joe Muego, Kallweit Graham Architecture, requests permission for a proposed detached garage at 2731 Mathers Avenue with the following variances:

a)      2 ft. to the Minimum Side Yard Setback.

b)      1 ft. to the Eave Projection.

c)      4.6 ft. to the Distance Between Principal and Accessory Buildings.

d)      2.2 ft. to the Accessory Building Height.

8.      APPLICATION 02-005 (4664 Clovelly Walk)

Su Robinson Guard, Owner, requests permission for a proposed addition to the existing family dwelling at 4664 Clovelly Walk with the following variance:

a)      1.83 ft. to the Minimum Side Yard Setback.

9.      NEXT HEARING

The next Board of Variance Hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, May 15, 2002.

Please contact the Secretary, Board of Variance at 604-925-7045 should you have any questions regarding the Agenda.

===  STDG CMTE OF CCL: RECREATION FACILITY PLANNING - AGENDA Apr 18 Thurs 8:45am

1.      CALL TO ORDER.

2.      CONFIRMATION OF AGENDA.

3.      RESOLUTION RE EXCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC PURSUANT TO S. 242.2(1)(e) OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACT.

4.      NEXT MEETING. / 5.  ADJOURNMENT.

(Please note, a part/parts of the meeting may be closed to the public, if the subject matter being considered relates to one or more exceptions in s. 242.2 of the Local Government Act.)

For further information or inquiries, please contact Judy McRae, Parks and Community Services or telephone 604-925-7125.

At the beginning of the meeting the Mayor asked for a moment of silence in honour of the Queen Mother whose funeral wd take place the next morning.  He said he'd sent a letter of condolence to the Queen and that there was a book at the library for signature.

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Mayor Wood then remarked that Monday, April 8, 1912 was an auspicious day

for West Vancouver.  He noted that he had the District's incorporation

documents dated the 15th day of March, 1912 and the page of handwritten

comments from the first Council meeting held April 8, 1912 and then read the

following:

"It was on Monday, April 8th, 1912, 90 years ago today, that the District of

West Vancouver had its first Council meeting in the newly formed municipality.  Interestingly enough, it was possibly the shortest Council meeting on record.

The business of the day began at 4pm with the declaration of the newly elected Council members, Reeve Charles Nelson, Councillors George Hay, Thomas Merrick, and James Mathers.  (The fifth member, Sam Gintzberger, was absent that day and was sworn in April 16.)  Because April 8th was Easter Monday, the meeting was immediately adjourned to Tuesday, April 9, 1912.  At Tuesday's meeting, Council discussed arrangements for a meeting place and the establishment of a ferry service between West Vancouver and Vancouver.

Hollyburn School House at 18th & Marine was the venue of the first historic meeting.  By September, the first Municipal Hall was built at a cost of $3500, on property in Hollyburn donated by John Lawson.  (Interestingly, it took Vancouver until 1936 to build its City Hall.)  While the Hall was being built, Councillors set up a tent beside the construction site.  Another building erected that same year was the building we now know as the Beach House at Dundarave, or the "The Clachan" which was built by the Stephenson sisters.

West Vancouver was incorporated on March 15, 1912 and the first election for

Reeve, Councillors and School Trustees was held on April 6."

Mayor Wood then wished West Vancouver a Happy Birthday.

no seconder for second reading so was defeated

MMgr said if defeated wondered if Ccl wanted to give staff further direction.

Cclr Wms: Some concerns re legality re clearances from Victoria, road allowance, study these issues; staff bring back a report before we consider any further introduction of a bylaw

MMgr: for clarification -- wd Ccl like us to look at design alternatives or not?

Mayor: yes, included; think that was intended

Cclr Wms: yes, if I didn't, I meant to include that.

This was quite confusing; it needs a 75% vote to pass strata ccl

Cclr Clark: considered this a year ago, needed meeting showing three quarters were in favour; some wrote not all

SeaStrand was constructed in 1963

1983 but not removal of interior weather walls and balcony doors.

wrote letter to Ccl requesting removal

a special mtg of the strata corporation Dec.

Letter said vote approved by min of 75% of all owners

forwarded to staff who said requirements were met

Cclr S: gather this reapplication does not require 75%

we asked them to sort out their mtgs and get it squared off and give indication 75% of owners approved, and come back

gather from report, no need to have that vote based on special mtg?

Cclr C: states strata bylaw was passed, minutes supplied to staff

Cclr S: yes, but if I recall correctly, not too many at that meeting.

a bit confusing; mtg Dec and before us in April

are we going to permit this with nothing showing 75% passed it?

Mayor: says special meeting Dec 2001

SJN: 12 months after application

Cclr S: but when it came, our concern was the strata ccl approve it and now we have staff saying they've approved it, 75% not required.

MMgr: they say they've met it

Cclr S: where?

MMgr: minutes of the [Dec] meeting were supplied to staff

Cclr S: came to us in January

MMgr: passed by a minimum of 75% of all owners.  Made necessary changes, asked us to move forward; they've met and come back

Cclr S: requires 75%?

Mayor: does, told it did

David Hall explained what had happened at meetings; mtg last April deferred b/c not 75% of owners attending

not allowed in WV?

SJN: it's a minor development permit application, that's what's needed, that's why here.

DH: You asked strata ccl to go back and get 75% approval of owners

bylaws had to be reviewed.  The Strata Ccl bylaw re weather walls was struck out.  That bylaw was taken out and if you choose to remove the weather wall you will be assessed a charge (for heating)

Cclr Wms read from bylaw saying owner cd remove, subject to a fee.

MMgr: conditions have been met according to report,

DH: owners have to have a vote, not the strata ccl.

The bylaw prohibits the removal of weather walls.

SJN: solicitor advised can be done, up to Ccl to authorise minor DVP; up to owners whether they want to take out doors.

Jim Kates (sp?): I'm VP of strata ccl, put question to owners as asked; said 89 of the 112 owners attended,

Cclr D: so 75% of?

JK: 75% of the 89 voted in favour

DH: the bylaw just said if you wish to remove the weather wall, there'll be an extra charge

it was just struck out of draft and replaced with fee

Mayor: that's result.  We haven't seen the question; you'd have to pay the increased fee

DH: didn't say you had to apply to WV Ccl for it to be considered.

Cclr H: Isn't it true that at the strata mtg you tried to have this removed?

DH: I didn't see...

thought it was three quarters of the owners.  That was my summation.

Mayor: our impression received that, 75% of those there.

Cclr H: if bldg mgr tell us 75% agreed

we wanted to make sure 75% of the owners approved it

DH: they wd agree to pay the additional maintenance charge

not 75% of owners

Cclr C: if they were voting re removing wdn't they also be voting to pay?

DH: but they didn't do that

they didn't say it had to go to Ccl for approval

MMgr: we have correspondence from John Olsen [sp?], Mgmt Agent for the owners

we have nothing to suggest the conditions Ccl set have not been met

other than Mr Hall's contention that there's another way of interpreting it.

SJN: They have now approved the removal

the section of the bylaw is in italics

Cclr H:  approval of 75% of 111 means about 20 to 25 don't agree, and we have one here

documentation is sufficient for me to vote for or against the motion.

Cclr D: If this is approved and the weather wall approved, how does the Assessment Authority deal with this? reassessment of unit?

SJN: balconies already enclosed, may be a minor difference

Cclr D: can step out onto balcony?

SJN: if Assessment Authority decides

Cclr D: how does it get triggered?

SJN: anonymous phone calls

Cclr D: does this need a development permit? still has to come back and get a building permit?

SJN: yes, have to check structural on these

Cclr D: still has to come back to get a permit

SJN: typically, yes

Passed with Cclr Soprovich opposed

Cclr D: in this report says that a building permit will be required

the existing exhaust fans may have to be relocated or extended

I'm concerned this might give the building a higgledy-piggledy look

wonder if we could provide some consistency for this

SJN: previous design had this

buildings of this quality make sure they have consistency

===  Cosmetic Use of Pesticides - Staff Report/PowerPoint Presentation

by Steve Jenkins, the Environment Coordinator

What is a pesticide?  {plant growth regulator]

Why all the interest?

Chemlawn et al v. City of Hudson

"cosmetic" pesticide

regulated on a commercial and national level

DWV has received many letters both on banning and using ????

What are the concerns about pesticides?

two main concerns are:

toxicity in the environment, toxicity in humans leading to health problems

Further research needed

Announced March 21st feds wd be looking at this and updating the old pesticide use they have

provinces do have their own process and can ban even what the feds allow

Hudson upholds right to restrict use of pesticides in a municipality

rather safe than sorry

over 50 municipalities limit use

Vancouver has an Integrated Pest Management Plan [IPMP]

Hudson regulates use on both public and private property

one person answers phone all day on the issue

DNV, no bylaw in place but have a reduction plan

36 Cdn municipalities have bylaws in various states.

We use between sidewalk pavers

using fatty acids

Gleneagles, Ambleside golfcourses

150 litres fungicide was used in 1997, and last year used 80

so we're on right track

don't use anything on our sports fields

Some Management options

first wd be an audit

have to report use of our pesticides, and we do that today

formal integrated pest mgmnt plan will take one to two years

wd like to reduce

cost to convert parks but

can even reduce costs, generally healthier park

no mowing? possible savings

education

registration program for applicators and suppliers

        wd take a couple of years; staff wd have to do it

        code of conduct

        cd go to full bylaw ban

        Hudson has two full-time people working on that

Action Plan

audit is under way

expect to be completed some time in May

training program for staff and residents

IPMP under way already

looking at developing a couple of pesticide-free parks 2003 used as models with signage w/ benefits

wd like to get started on registration program for commercial applicators

Registration Program

Steps:

send info out to landscape companies, those supplying pesticides

wd publish list of registered companies

want data to find out quantities being used in Municipality

increase environmental awareness

believe our plan achievable with staff we have now

buy-in free advertising on website

Cclr S: your dept taking lead is vital; program extremely important

struck me, you started with two pesticide-free parks, maybe ALL parks pesticide-free!

This is a wakeup call in environmental stewardship.

The use of pesticides is out of control and enforcement is zero, including users and suppliers.

I want to see a bylaw one day that they're banned; we can go ahead with other methods

WV can showcase itself as better than anywhere else.

affects commercial market

but if you can show, esp in parks with alternate methods, and it proves to work, we shd go in direction banning completely

I look forward to that day when we can do it completely

I don't care -- limited number for sale; some will sell out, quick squirt -- nonsense; those using it as services, as business; but others not using it properly.

Enforcement key

Serious side of environmental stewardship and I look forward to that day.

Cclr F: Don't mean to dampen Cclr S's enthusiasm for this but agenda calls for public input, so proceed that way.

Lyn Noble, 5265 Gulf Place:

thank you for that great report

last June 2nd you received a letter from me requesting WV ban pesticides with attachments.  A copy of the bylaw banning pesticides in Chelsea, Quebec

Plus an article on Dr Nicole Bruisma [sp?] Ms B died of cancer this spring after spearheading banning the use of pesticides in her cmnty and across Canada.

As she said, these things are designed to kill life, therefore they must have an effect on [living things]

and the risk, toxic exposure isn't worth a green lawn.

Supreme Court of Canada upheld the municipal right to have a bylaw to ban pesticides

Loblaw's as of 2003 will no longer sell pesticides

Real Cdn, Extra Foods, etc.

Anne McLellan, Health Minister, special consideration given to infants and children

 

some federal legislators were listening

M govts lead the charge away from cosmetic use of pesticides

Hudson banned in 1991, Chelsea 1998, 40 more across Canada

Victoria

Pt Moody has not sprayed for ten years, and they have a ban under consideration

Coquitlam banned 16 years ago and promote nature scapes

Toronto since 1998 has reduced pesticide use by 96%

concerned 25% jump in cancer child cd be caused by lawn chemicals

what's dollar cost

...

golf course savings

...

so I wd recommend, I wd like you to consider that a beautiful pesticide-free environment wd be a fitting 90th birthday gift to consider for West Van.

Now we have nine more people, about three minutes each

Mayor: nine more? three minutes each? saying the same thing?  Well, we'll see how it goes--

Dr Edward Donaldson: I'd like to make a short presentation

as a research scientist and cancer survivor

civilization is dependent upon the proper use of these

endocrine disrupters has entered the language

especially concerned about herbicide, fungicides, and insecticides for cosmetic purposes

no need to expose ourselves

evidence goes from lawn to home

demonstrated 2-4D, ends up in home, ten-fold

In WA and OR, cmnty composting programs have been devastated by the contamination in the compost with grass clippings sprayed by herbicide

the City of Spokane recently paid undisclosed sums to settle compost damage claims

WA State U loss of $250,000, as a result of herbicide contamination of compost,unable to sell any of their compost for last two years

can't use it

improved federal legislation

but it does not ban cosmetic use of pesticides

the Supreme Court does however does allow municipalities to, and I strongly recommend WV pass such a bylaw.

Mayor: difficulty I'm having is that all these presentations are to ban pesticides; not something we're contemplating doing tonight; all the same; we get the point

all nine people are going to make these presentations repetitively asking us to ban it; maybe more timely next year, we're not ready yet.

Maybe if Cclr F makes the motion (recommendation re staged approach) and we'll see where we go from there

Cclr C seconded and made friendly amendment: This item be referred to the Parks and Env Cmte before staff begin to develop a registration program

Mayor: and purpose for that wd be?

Cclr C: a great deal of expertise around that table; they have requested to peruse and comment; that's what they're there for

Cclr F: I think this changes the intent of the motion; no problem with a separate motion; just these three parts

Mayor: the three parts

Cclr H: if acceptable, I'd like to have separate consideration given to each of these three substantive clauses.

Cclr F: dealt with independently? acceptable to me

Mayor: okay

Cclr Wms:  wrt these three proposals, it may appear time is passing but will enable us to ascertain what the Minister of Health will do wrt pest control act of Canada

Cclr S: staged approach; doesn't say anywhere we'd look at banning in future

if we accept staged approach, a year from now we could look at an outright ban

Cclr F: indeed with the acceptance of this motion, staff will be looking at banning cosmetic use of pesticides in future

Mayor: regulation

Cclr F: I understand this wd give them the info the scientific facts and data necessary in order to--

Mayor: to consider

MMgr: intent is to inform, regulate ourselves, come back with report at some point; not sure we'd come back recommending ban but rather cd revisit this matter and Ccl cd set a date for it to come back in a year or two

Cclr D: an enormous leap if this report looks like there's going to be a ban, or creating a bylaw to ban.

It's reducing pesticide use by staff, there's a registration program

do the job they've been trained to do

see nothing about banning pesticides from WV

if a cclr wants to make that motion now or in the future, their prerogative

Ccl can vote on it at that time

glad to hear Mgr saying working toward a ban is not part of this process, not part of the process

Mayor: three parts

Cclr F: (a) receipt

PASSED

Cclr F: (b) staged approach

Cclr H: a question, a little unclear; start with a small park for reduction of pesticides and wd cost $10 to 15,000

according to inventory we have about 140 parks

on the other side I hear reducing pesticides saves money

so I'm a bit confused, experimental projects that will cost us or save us money

Why $15,000 for 140 parks to save money?

need a response from Mr Jenkins

SJ: start up, what we're looking for there, signage, species converting, native species, education

if we approached all parks that way wd go that way, but just looking for two

Cclr C: looking for seed money

Cclr S: we've got to move on this, fed govt always safety codes, done it for cell sites, pesticides

certain level of safety; but health issue

starting the process is formal and right

I will make a motion within this year if we do some conclusive work for the banning of pesticides; extremely important we do this work and experiments

govt doesn't have statistics and nor do they monitor

got to look at these toxins; we think it's fine and it isn't.

Cclr D: when we start to ban things at this level and the fed/prov govts say we can buy these products over the counter, I'm reminded that some people still smoke and die of cancer at enormous cost

wonder if Cclr S wd want to ban smoking in the M and save enormous cost and may be an extreme benefit to everybody around this--

Mayor: let's not get into that

Cclr S, of course agitated: that's a stupid comparison

Cclr D: cost of health care more than pesticide care

these are legally purchased products

if Municipality wishes to work toward reducing within our parks, our area, it's within our purview to do that, and it may be good for our staff re WCB

but I'm not a believer we shd ban, not sure if fed/prov govt says we can do it, don't know if we--

always two sides to every medical problem

Mayor: we cd ban the federal govt!

Cclr D: and some of us probably wd like to

wd be happy to ban for us

but idea of banning the homeowner from something he can legally buy is like prohibition; exactly the same as alcohol or smoking

until province or fed ban it, I don't see where we get the power to ban it in private gardens, homes

I'm not going to tell people what they can't do in their back garden

MMgr: re Cclr H's concerns, obviously if we had 140 or 180 parks; we have some we don't use pesticides at all now

we'll be looking at our use

no need to be concerned that those two pilots will result in a natural extension of those costs

Cclr F: Cclr D -- we do ban some things in this Municipality, like smoking, but not in people's homes

Cclr H: wd like to emphasize that the second motion in fact does deal solely with our own lands

I have some sympathy with the position of Cclr D but b/c our own property will vote in favour

Cclr S: when you go to purchase you're supposed to talk to someone knowledgeable in that field.  Know the process is lax.

point is if we have a program do experiments, and other municipalities get into it

then retailers may look at it...

hey maybe we won't put it on the market any more

don't know what Cclr D's talking about smoking; there are cars that spew out foul fumes every day as well, and we can go on and on.

PASSED

Cclr F: now clause three.  Maybe Mr Jenkins can explain this part: in conjunction with the business licence

SJ: meant to have companies, suppliers and applicators

supply us with their data on a biannual basis so this year we can get some quantitive data on how much pesticide being sold and used

Cclr F: but no attempt to prohibit use

SJ: will supply info, brochures on alternate uses

Cclr D: do all garden crews get a biz licence?

SJ: no, but they're required to submit the data on a yearly basis

Cclr D: meant to get a licence

SJ: we hope

Cclr D: then not the real data cuz not all do, the info you're going to get is from the law-abiding

anybody who starts up and throws a lawnmower in the back can do whatever he wants without much control

so info will be flawed

SJ: correct

Cclr H: won't support this for similar reasons; seems to me a number of people get their biz licence elsewhere

if purpose is to gather data, seems to me there are other ways more reliable

cd do it on a different basis

George Noble:  you've declined to listen to a number of presenters tonight

so far we've addressed biz and commercial people but not the general public, that's where the greatest use comes from

think it behooves the Ccl to listen to one or two

Mayor: let me tell you the difficulty; they shd let us to know in advance so we can adjust the agenda -- it just said Lyn Noble, did not suggest nine more

Ccl has no difficult listening to all ten, if we'd known ten people; but we're not in a position to do so tonight.

Don Phillips, Landscaper: I have a WV licence

I operate with no tools or pesticides

re tracking volume of pesticides, just go to a large store and see volume of use

re increased costs, particularly for lawns, it's just simply a matter of not using it

as a landscaper you're familiar

lawn is green, you cut it and trim it, that's it

so a bit confused about training costs and extra measures re gardening

seems absurd to me

re weeds, re paving stones, walkway areas, it's a direct result of using blowers.  When you don't use blowers you don't get weeds in those areas.

A garden looks after itself

Cclr H: I wonder if I cd make a comment, looks like a misunderstanding

in the letter we've received, it does say eight people, says delegation and not addressing an item on agenda, so again miscommunication

Mayor: There will be ample time to discuss this subject as we go forward.  The motion tonight is not to ban pesticides.

[Audience reading consideration re banning on screen identifying Ms Noble's letter.]

Cclr H: that's a mistake, Your Worship.

Mayor: it's not to ban, see recommendations, that is not the bylaw

Cclr F: I wd urge Ccl to support (3), it's important for Ccl to take a role

to consider control of pests and weeds in the garden

it's timely

people have spoken again and again about their passion in WV the environment and our need to preserve it

anything we can do to reduce pests and weeds is in favour of everyone in the cmnty

Cclr Wms: to MMgr wd it apply to biz licences

MMgr: yes

Cclr Wms: so if in NV wd apply here?

MMgr: yes

Cclr Wms: so they will all be licensed

Cclr C: to Parks and Env before start on program

Cclr Wms: change comment to advice

PASSED

Mayor: For those who came, we're making the first advance tonight

as we go forward there'll be ample opportunity

an improved situation

use will be reduced dramatically

not only WV but across the country

don't mean to be impolite to those who came, but put in proper context, let's work together, whatever we're trying to achieve here

Voice: can we speak?

Audience: do you wish to listen to people who are not speaking to a ban, speaking to another aspect

or did you just assume we're all speaking to a ban and shdn't be allowed to speak

Mayor: if it's consistent with the motion that's been passed, the four motions.

what's the wish of Ccl?

Cclr S: a lot of people spent a lot of time, different areas--

Cclr D: [can] if speaking to the motion, but not if not

Cclr H: but it's already passed, so if encouraging us to pass

Mayor: if your comments are consistent with the motion passed, then appropriate

Voice: but I think it is consistent

Cclr C: by the time we talk about it

we cd hear her speak

Nancy Smith:  Some people came just to inform you

some people are doing things already

Cdn U Women's Club had a resolution before it

to address the fed govt to review all pesticides

and as some of you know, Act written in 1969 and hasn't been a review from 1969 to 1995

it's a shame you didn't hear it

support Steve Jenkins's efforts and perhaps redirect some actions that you might take

wd you like to hear from one person who has a 45-second presentation, about what the Cdn Univ Women are going to do

Mayor: how many of you who were going to speak have written comments?

NS: There's a high school student who did a study.

oh, she's got discouraged and left, darn it

A high school student put a lot of effort, surveyed students, thought it was wonderful

discouraged, alas, and alack, she's gone

Mayor: contact her and ask her to pass the information to him, Steve Jenkins, and I know he'd be very receptive to receiving this information

NS: perhaps we'll ask to come to a Park Bd mtg and speak to them

Mayor: somebody has a 45-second presentation?

Nora: my presentation wd be much better received on paper

it's a resoln to be brought before the Cdn Univ Women's Club

Mayor: just to clarify where this resoln is going

Nora Wheeler: urges the fed govt of Canada the following resoln originally proposed by Stratford, Ontario, will come to the AGM Aug 2002 to be held in Richmond

re non-essential, that is cosmetic, that is to say insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides (particularly for lawns and gardens)

six points, each two lines

1 implement independent laboratory evaluation all pesticides currently registered, and submitted in future

2 require pesticide regn and reevaluation criteria re persistence, spread, bioaccumulation, and interaction

3. include impact on the ecosystem as a criterion in the evaluation, refusing regn to those harmful to non-target organisms

4. develop and promote public education in ecosystem theory; ecosystem health and biodiversity

5 modernize labelling, ...

6 promote and fund continuing research on our health and environment

WVCUW at its March meeting voted unanimously for this

Wd be pleased to say the forward-looking WV Ccl has voted to ban pesticides

Cclr D: I'm in favour of that

I'd like to make a motion to support it going to fed govt b/c that's where power of banning resides; they can spend the money

I'd like to make that motion, then you can go forward with your resolution

Norah: one other suggestion; parks or whichever body to test our streams for pesticide residue, so we wd know what's in our streams

Cclr H, wryly: Thank you, Cclr Environmentalist

Cclr D: I just like to put the power where the real power is.

Mayor: Michael Evison, Chair of PEAC

ME: being so bold to bring some members of comfort to Ccl and mbrs of public here

"My Home, My Environment" supported by three levels of govts, advocacy groups, and others

started some 6 - 9 months ago; addressing all these issues

ban it? fairly complex

contributing to this coalition, may help resolve some of these issues

so happens that I chair the PEAC, those cmte mtgs are open to the public and wd go one step further and say that cmte does welcome presentations from the public, and that might be an early staging process.

maybe come back in our collective and infinite wisdom

maybe give you a better sheet to check

Mayor: wd welcome that as a somewhat naive observer of this process, I wd welcome any intelligent input to this process.

Glen Patterson of the garden extraordinaire, won Heritage Award: I won't have another chance--

Mayor: you're moving -- not over the pesticide issue I hope

GP: I won't have another chance to speak

just to let you to know that in speaking to the motion

in 27 years here in WV, I've won many awards for my garden, magazine articles, books, heritage award

in 25 years after many years of excessive pesticide use I have never used pesticides

don't be afraid to ban pesticides -- they're lethal

the only reason you're hesitant is that you don't have the information

please investigate; it's coming, don't be afraid of leading

Santa Barbara and others have banned this many years ago

I used to fight against outdoor burning with passion.  Why did I do that?  Because it was ignorance at the time.

don't hesitate

Good luck and Goodbye

Mayor: thank you.

===  Local Court of Revision (Local Improvement) - 1400Block Jefferson

MMgr: we have a problem here; two members will be absent (Wms and Haycock) so I wd recommend two others be put in their place.

Cclr Wms moved Cclr Soprovich and Ferguson take their places. [Passed]

===  Ccl Procedure Bylaw (Amendments)

Cclr Sop introduced it as part of cmte review:

This brings it up to date, well done from what I've seen.

Report dated Apr 2.  Move it be advanced for reading and consideration.

Cclr H: cd you clarify this: advanced to Ccl, we are Ccl.

MClk: legally, Ccl must be given notice

Mayor: set dates?

MClk: cd bring it back next week if Ccl desires

Cclr Wms: give people a chance to read this bylaw

for those in regular attendance

that's the most significant change; we'll hear you when you come to debate it

Cclr F: important for mbrs of Ccl have time to respond to that particular aspect so we can make our decision accordingly.

Cclr D: is this some new way of doing it or just

MClk: this particular wording is for Ccl, one week's notice shd be given for bylaw consideration

Cclr Wms: shd do this in other cases; we bring some bylaws without any notice at all, and we pass amendments without any advance notice and they contain significant items without the public having any idea what's going down the track; the idea is to give the public as much notice as they need

Cclr Wms: seems to cause a great deal of consternation

this Ccl's remuneration last set in 1988

cmte struck in 1985, made studies, recommendations, and took three years to advance and set salaries

it is proposed at this time to establish a task force to review this

and appoint independent people to come back with a report

and so they can come back and recommend what it shd be for elected officials

recommend remuneration they deem appropriate starting in 2003

fortunately the Mayor has been able to get the services of Mr Charles Conaghan, as chair who can choose two others

he's a WV resident, extensive experience in this field

handled prov judges' compensation, pays for MLAs

appointed Oct 1 chair of the BC public service appeals boaard

Cclr H: friendly amendment included in documentation that is not in motion, ie report back no later than June 30

Cclr D: most recent adjustment in 1994; consider by current Ccl for ratification by Ccl of 2003-5

does this take a simple motion, or can we recommend it to the next Ccl, and at their first mtg they will make the final decision?  What is process?

MMgr: task force will report to this Ccl, the approach, and this Ccl recommends to the following Ccl

Cclr D: final ratification by new Ccl

MMgr: yes

Cclr H: was not my understanding; thought this Ccl wd recommend (or not), effective with the new Ccl

MMgr: Ccl cd to that, but not intent; intent was to develop

if this ccl chose to adopt it and bind it they cd

Cclr F: my understanding was the same as Cclr H; decision wd be made by this Ccl and implemented Dec 1st.

Mayor: We can do that when the report comes back.

Cclr Clark: suggest it presented be annually during Youth Week

This year Youth Ccl Mtg is May 6

significant contribution youth make to this cmnty

proclamation of Youth Week (first week in May)

youth strategy; we can't do enough; shortfall, this is just the beginning

received, and WVYAA program established

Cclr D: notice forms available at secondary schools, include Collingwood and Mulgrave?

Mayor: yes

Cclr D: not sure the criteria has been well enough defined

or how a jury is going to make that decision with so little side reference

'has demonstrated outstanding achievement'

MMgr: sort of a pilot, new program, experience the first year

get sense, refine

Cclr D: nomination forms going out, short time span

wonder what youth wd understand what they meant by this achievement

pls provide a brief description of indiv mbr or group

think of someone who saved someone's life, or found the tailed frogs on the hillside

trying to work out who, a friend who's done something capable of winning

so little to go by

some people may not understand...

ability to have somebody to call to give a broader reference

Cclr C: My understanding is there'll be a covering letter that will be self-explanatory

MMgr: again, for a first time, as inclusive as we can; with experience can refine

Mayor: We'll get there

Cclr F: OCP presentations made Saturday morning and afternoon made by staff and OCPSC

by invitation only, adv and other groups represented as well as library/school/police boards

80 at morning and 40 at afternoon

asked extremely good questions

proposed policies for revised OCP, strategies and directions taken going through the month of April

there will be a publication coming to your doorstep

a special edition of Tidings -- general overview, some of the strategies that may result

none of this is yet set in stone; these policies are proposed

assumed all the groups will be getting back to us with revisions of some kind

encourage people to take advantage

two scheduled 16th and 18th from 7:30 to 9 in the Hall, all residents invited to attend

Ratepayer Roundtable 9th, five mbrs from each group we hope

Thursday April 11th cohosted by ADRA and will allow those residents to view presentation and get any clarification and proposed transition zones in the cmnty

thank staff who have worked extremely hard; been a major task

can't thank them enough

Cclr D: was there not going to be a presentation on Monday mtg?

Cclr F: there will be a presentation by staff next Monday at ccl mtg, similar to what made so far.

Cclr Clark: as ccl liaison like to do a little chestpounding

from a recent issue from Cdn Living re autistic program

Mother asked Library and Thursday afternoons are now a special time

thanks to cooperation with School board, a wonderful experience for about six with special needs; met by retired teacher

Fundraising done

Library provides space and activities for the project

went across Canada

Mayor: good story

===  INFORMATION / CORRESPONDENCE (as noted in last newsletter)

Cclr H read the correspondence and made a couple of comments:

- Garbage bags referred to staff and will be coming back to Ccl

- Letter from CLR Communications referred to DoAdministration for policy development and reply.

- Plight of Jean Greenwood in waterfront house on Argyle

- Lower Seymour Conservation Reserve Management (GVRD) -- draft plan available from Clerk's Dept.

Cclr D: we never get to discuss those in Information

Mayor: Cd we deal with this first?

Cclr Wms: re 10.5 Mr Madatali's letter on waterfront, Argyle Avenue, regarding what I was reported as saying in NSN if Mr Madatali is watching; I said a lot more and I urge him not to get all his information from that newspaper.

Cclr D: an issue close to my heart...  WV passed a bylaw re minibuses, shared taxis, NV allowed it, b/c cdn't go from one municipality to another

City of Vancouver has got round to this, subject to motor carrier approval

Vancouver's motion required this approval

curious so I phoned up City of Vancouver to find out our past govt, that lovely group of people, the NDP, passed regulation that disallowed shared rider taxis within the confines of one's own municipal boundaries unless it got approval of the Motor Carrier Crowd

you will not be surprised applicant got it approved by City of Vanc, went off to Motor Carrier, and got turned down

had the whole of the taxi industry against him

don't know if our bylaw is allowed; great shame

wd help, ease the transit problems, share

shame it didn't open the regulations up

they actually shut the industry down

Mgr: we have had applicants and they have not been successful to date

Mayor: not through the Motor Carrier Commission.

Carolanne Reynolds, President of ADRA.

Before I ask my questions, on the enclosing of weather doors and things, Cclr Durman quite rightly pointed out and asked about the Assessment Authority.  When this came up in the past, the other thing that was asked, and I'm throwing it out for you to consider, is that this changed the FAR of the building

Mayor: that's right

CR: and it might make it exceed the FAR allowed, so I think that's why some people thought Ccl shd look at it.  I leave it to you, but that's the other aspect.  As I said, Cclr Durman correctly brought up the Assessment Authority but someone shd look into the FAR.

Mayor: We're trying to let the strata council sort it out themselves.

CR: Yes.

Now, thank you very much for the presentation on Saturday on the OCP review and if you wd be kind enough to further clarify a couple of points, if not tonight then at least at the public meeting on Thursday, April 11th, here.

The marked area on the map, some of us thought, all that marked area in Ambleside and Dundarave --

Mayor: This is the Transition Zone (TZ) you're talking about?

CR: Well, you see, this is the confusion.  Thank you, Mayor Wood.

We thought that marked area was the TZ from the waterfront up but one comment on Saturday implied that the area, the solid area, was actually proposed to have infill increased density to .75 [or 1.0] or whatever.  And then there was another part up there with a dotted line, that is the Transition Area, and this has caused some confusion so, is it all under discussion or is it only the Transition Area that's under discussion?  That's what was a little confusing.

SJN: I'm not quite sure what's being referred to.  There [are] two items shown on it.  One says proposed Transition Area, and it says this area is proposed and it says in addition to that, there's a possible Transition Area extension, and that's called the possible Transition Area.  I'm not quite sure what other area is on the map.  Those are the two areas on the map: proposed Transition Area and a possi--

Cclr D, trying to follow: the yellow area? the yellow area? the yellow hatched area?

SJN: I believe that Ms Reynolds is referring to the black and white version.

Cclr D:  oh-oo.

SJN: the coloured one's even more--

CR: I have this one.  Has it been superseded?  This is the one I was given. But anyway, the main thing is that we wd like, you see this part is solid, and then this part is dotted; and the residents that ALL of this was up for discussion, not just the Transition Area, and the reason for that is that we wd like to know, if you're proposing those changes, if there cd be -- I mean it doesn't matter if it's all of it -- but if there cd be guidelines for all of that area for changing someone's neighbourhood or, you know, an area.

Mayor: Mmhm.

CR: The presenter did mention that there might be guidelines, or it wd be desirable, for something like this, so we wd like to know, you don't have to answer this tonight, we wd like to know when the guidelines wd be available. Because for people to give their input as to what these changes are, they want to know, is the proposed bylaw just, it's going to be this, or will the proposed bylaw say it can be this, with public participation and these guidelines?

So I throw that out to you to clarify because that's --

Mayor: that will be clarified on Thursday night I'm sure, if it hasn't already been clarified.  That issue was raised Saturday and was addressed?

Cclr F: Not entirely, or not quite in that form.  You're most welcome to raise that on Thursday night and staff will have the most up to date map because as we said to you as we handed them out initially, they are changing as we speak in order to accommodate continued public input and suggestions for amendments, and for clarification, so we wd be only too happy to clear it all up for everybody who's present on Thursday night.

CR:  We really appreciate that.  And we do know it's changing, but it was as a result of the presentation I got asked those questions because confusion then started to arise.  Is it the Transition Area that has guidelines, or is the whole area, and where are [dividing lines]? so thank you very much --

Cclr C:  I'd like to point out, nothing is going to happen, absolutely nothing is going to happen without full input from the public.

CR: right.

Cclr C: -- full discussion, full input.  Not an 'i' dotted, not a 't' crossed without it.  Okay?

Cclr F: not a guideline established without it.

CR: that's right, but I think the question was, is some of this that is proposed going to be put in, and some of it, like the Transition Area, be subject to guidelines, or will all of it be?  That is the confusion.

The next thing was --

Cclr D: Sorry, I heard somebody say a bylaw

CR: the OCP --

Cclr D:  I heard you say a bylaw being proposed.

Cclr F: The OCP will be a bylaw.

CR: Now, Chief Williams said that within two years they plan to develop the west side of the Capilano River, and it includes condos and perhaps will affect the Par Three golf course, so --

Mayor: This was at a meeting several months ago

CR: at the December mtg --

Mayor: yes

CR: With that in mind, and I know it's courtesy to be working with them, and this is all courtesy, if there are going to be condos going up there, obviously you're going to take these into consideration when you're considering where there wd be more multifamily.

Mayor: I wasn't at that meeting.  Cclr Ferguson, you were.

Cclr F: I think you may have put some words in the Chief's mouth.  My understanding of his comments that night was that the Squamish Nation was looking at the possible development of the properties that comprise the dogwalk and the pitch and putt golf course sometime in the next three to five years, but that he was no more explicit than that but I could be corrected.

MMgr: I believe the Squamish Nation is in the process of developing a Community Plan.  I don't know if they've got to the stage at this point that they cd provide us with any specifics.  We are in constant touch with them with respect to that and as we have more information we'll provide it to Ccl and the cmnty.    It's a little premature at this point to start building our OCP around something that's really a work in progress on their part.

Cclr D: wd it not be non-market, wdn't the development be housing for themselves?

Cclr F: No

Cclr D:  I read somewhere not enough land for the housing that they need --

MMgr: it's really a matter for them to be considering at this point, and I'm sure they will communicate their plans to us once they have a better idea.

Cclr H: both the question and the comments from some councillors points out the difficulties when any politician, even a chief of a First Nation, starts to engage in conjecture at a public meeting b/c what happens is that one piece of it is sort of glommed onto and then promulgated as what's going to happen and in fact it was just one of several scenarios that were put forward, just as [there's] one of several scenarios put forward in our own OCP review.

CR: Right.  So as long as the courtesy and the communication's there, that will help.

Mayor: They are invited to every mtg; they were invited to the Saturday mtg, but they chose not to attend.

CR: All we can do is try.

Mayor: that's right.

CR:  Mr Nicholls, the Planner, last fall said he might have some demographics or some projections for the growth in WV that wd help in the OCP planning.  The last few years, WV has been growing at .6% per year.  Now we have Deer Ridge West and we have plans for multifamily.  Has the research been done to accommodate what is needed, or will you leave it to public input to decide if the housing will be directed toward young families and/or emptynesters shd be built and where?

Mayor: big question.

SJN: We have projections, they're contained in this plan a bit, and a lot of that depends on the market.  We've indicated in this that there shd be housing for emptynesters and housing for young families [provided].  In other words choice, that's one of the prime policies, I mean, principles.  We have estimated generally what we expect to be the growth rate over that period of time; that comes from the Hospital District.  Whether that in fact turns out to be the growth, which is slower growth than in the past, whether that in fact turns out to be something or whether it is accelerated, we'll decide; but certainly if people have suggestions as to what we shd be aiming at, that's the purpose of next month.

CR: If we could have the benefit of that research on Thursday night, we wd very much appreciate it.

Mayor: What research? the growth rate?

CR: Yes, and what the projection is, and--

Mayor: I don't think you can project what the market forces are going to be; that wd really be conjecture.  The growth rate is one thing, and we've pretty well got a handle on that, but what the market forces will dictate, who knows?

CR: Well I was picking up on something the Planning Commission said.  What housing you do, will also dictate who comes.

Mayor: Well, if mortgage rates go back to 10 and 12%, we cd see quite a change.

Cclr D, holding up Tidings: I was going to say, demographics is actually on the front page --

Cclr Wms: but she hasn't got that.

Cclr D: You may not have got your copy yet.

CR: I haven't got that yet, but there was one at the--

Cclr H: it was handed out on Saturday

CR: but it's [I meant] going forward

Mayor: Okay.

CR: Now the next question is, at the Monday Ccl mtg Apr 22nd--  The Monday ccl mtg is usually broadcast at 9pm the following night on the Tuesday, but I see in the notice that that's the time that you're going to be showing the presentation from Saturday.  So my question wd be, when are you going to broadcast the Monday night meeting then?

Cclr F: We don't broadcast, Shaw Cable broadcasts.  You might better direct your question to them.

CR: Well, I thought that WV Ccl had an arrangement that the Monday night mtg is broadcast on Tuesday at 9.  And I thought that when you were publishing that something else was going to be broadcast at 9, that you might have made other arrangements then for the ccl mtg.

Mayor: Mr Manager

MMgr: We'll follow up on that.  I don't have an answer for that right now.

Cclr H: It's sort of like that popular British soap opera Coronation Street that keeps getting bumped around.  You have to watch for those things.

Cclr C: it keeps coming back.

Cclr D: I saw the ccl mtg on Saturday, this weekend.  It was on TV.

CR, now as President of the North Shore Heritage Cmte: The next thing is, thank you very much for the display and the remarks for the Queen Mother, and we appreciate that.  We wondered if you wanted to move that to the Library so more cd see it.  And we do have another copy if you wanted to put one there and here, but of course this one is just a print.

Mayor: thanks for providing the print.

CR: Oh, [you're more than welcome] what little I cd do, and I really appreciate--

MMgr: Just as a followup.  We were intending to switch the display down to the Library to go along with the condolence book, after this night's meeting

CR: I'm just going to say if you needed another one, I have another one.

Mayor: Thank you.

Cclr Wms: wrt the discussion about demographics and growth, something else that shd be kept in mind -- a lot will depend upon what happens with the OCP

CR: yes

Cclr Wms: and how much encouragement is given to the people who own property in WV to do something with it.  Whether sitting there and allow it to be fallow.  There may be some changes depending upon what the OCP offers.

CR: Yes.  They will all be factors, I'm sure.

Cclr Wms:  It's nice to talk about housing for emptynesters if you aren't going to provide any housing for them.

But we just do our best, right.  Thank you very much.

Mayor:  Thank you.

                9:45 a.m.-4:00 p.m. - Ambleside Park (Note new location).

Warning: when reading aloud, this may be a bit difficult if tongue kept seriously in cheek.

Our scribe wrote:

The meeting commenced about 5:30 PM.

    The subject of discussion was the recently released "Proposed Policies, etc." workbook -- the one that was handed out on Tuesday night [at the Ratepayer Roundtable Apr 9th] so conveniently soon after that last door stop was misplaced and lost for all time.

    Attendance was high, probably all seven of the committee plus Councillor, District Officer and Planner (part time).  It's probably a record, of sorts.

    A white-haired gentleman led the discussion by a simple device -- he read out the proposed policy statement from a given section, and asked if there was anyone uncomfortable with the statement.  If there were no "uncomfortables", the statement was considered to be acceptable to the committee.  If at least one member indicated that he/she was "uncomfortable" with the policy statement, discussion took place to determine what and why and whether a different wording would be more acceptable.  Generally, a change in wording was made to raise the "comfort level".  Occasionally, evidence that one or more of the members had done some prep work was given.  And a few times, the member speaking had had some experience in the subject matter (one member for instance on zoning and development talking intelligently about the need for clear guidelines, etc. and the difficulties that absence of the same has for developers and investors alike).

Demographics seems to have been a great hit.  Everyone seemed to be concerned for the now widely-publicized two-hump Bactrian camel (WV's demographic profile), wishing to turn it into the one-humped Arabian version (GVRD's profile).  Much gnashing of teeth around the lack of "20-somethings" and "30-somethings".  Concern for school-aged disenfranchised, and dearth of rug-rats, etc.  No volunteers willing to subdivide or sell below market or donate housing, however, themselves.  None of the obvious solutions, such as automatic ejection from the District when you or your house reach the age of X, whichever is the earlier, materialized.  Nor were there calls for forced marriage of that one-third of the population unattached; nor did anyone think to fudge their age on census forms just to confuse the analysts.

One alert member caught the reference to "social capital", and declared his triumph at pitch to Planner for the edification of all.  No one knew what it meant.  Nor were they concerned to find out, financial capital being the limit and extent of their interest and experience -- for where does one find a market in "social capital" futures and forwards to hedge a long position in "over-50s" and "under-20s"?

The generally disheveled appearance of the Ambleside area made its appearance.  (Dundarave is doing quite well thank you, says one member with glee and a quick side-long glance to Planner -- sotto voce, leave well enough alone says he.)   A hand-wringing experience was entered into briefly in commiseration for those poor souls caught in the purgatory between 13th and 15th; and "what can we do, etc." raised its head for a moment, but was quickly extinguished with incentives and bylaws and initiatives and sugar plum fairies and their ilk.  Apparently this is a "BIG DEAL" in the halls of government---alas, not much doing since they can't or won't condemn the properties or declare eminent domain to the heavens.  Or hire a Hollywood set crew.

But under Planner's baton and Council's wand the hinterland will be leavened with "infill" and townhomes and multiplexes and complexes, not to mention four stories to fill a handsome bound book on social improvement for those who wish to be new improved, and those who don't and against their wishes will be so improved at their common peril and risk.  All this, Dear Reader, is premised on a false premise that the great unwashed in grateful submission and homage paid will render its merchants, their betters and masters, wiser and wealthier and sublime ever after.  Lifeline in process of being thrown, at some cost to those less worldly souls resident in "transition zone" newly named, by Planner and councillors assembled to merchants and landlords floundering in failed stratagems and impracticable dreams, a brighter future (so said) held forth and shed soft light on the assemblage holding it enthrall ever so briefly under transitory illusion.

The much vaunted DCCs (Development Cost Charges) took centre-stage for a while, to evident relief.  All and sundry declaimed the low value of DCCs and the Councillor cried out for a tougher standard and higher rates even though avowed ultra vires, and ultra virus, no matter said he, if it's tougher it's o.k.; gives Council something to shoot for when and if the NEW IMPROVED community charter is proclaimed so claimed against a lone dissenting voice quickly passed over.  One present made the connection with the level of DCCs and the affordability of housing, though in a little voice.

(You, avid reader, will undoubtedly note, should you feel so motivated to investigate, that the audited statements of the fair District Municipality for 1999 and 2000 showed in two years only $1 million out of $17.7 millions of accumulated DCCs were applied to the purpose for which they have been collected.)  Seems our esteemed advisers and tax collectors are more intent on stuffing the already bulging coffers of the District, than in examining why the coffers are bulging.  (And, yes dear reader, observant you, DCCs cannot be applied to defrayment of the cost of the new springing edifices emergent from the Recreation Facilities Master Plan, nor, alas, you note ruefully, can the DCCs accumulated interest earnings be so applied despite widespread misapprehension and faintly expressed resentment.)

Lastly, to the District Officer's delight and astonishment, the committee asked that Finance (the ever-ready) undertake a study of the dollar impact of the proposed policies and report back promptly, preferably not later than 2010 in time for the Olympics -- long-jumping being a committee specialty, as well as vaulting.

At quarter to the appointed hour, members tiring of the jovial camaraderie, and generally light-hearted fare served up by the prospect of abounding wealth and one-humped camels when the policies, now much modified and improved financially and grammatically, would be adopted and implemented and enforced, to their credit and everlasting good name, began, one-by-one, to leave the conference table for new vistas and lands to conquer.  'Til at 7 PM, only the hardy remained to gorge on the canapés and grapes and the detritus of recent gossip; soon these also drifted away.

Last week we gave the email address from the Royal Website: www.royal.gov.uk

and the address as Buckingham Palace, London SW1A 1AA however it appears they have established a special address, presumably to differentiate between regular correspondence and letters of condolence.

Individuals who wish to send a letter of condolence to The Queen may do so at the following address:

                        HM The Queen

                        PO Box 1900

                        Buckingham Palace

                        London SW1P 1AA

The formal style of opening is 'Madam'; formal letters close 'I have the honour to be, Madam, Your Majesty's humble and obedient servant / subject'.

G       QUOTATION  --  Ella Wheeler Wilcox, poet (1850-1919)

So many gods, so many creeds,

        So many paths that wind and wind,

While just the art of being kind

        is all the sad world needs.

                                 

H       APR 15th AGENDA (Abbreviated) - Supplementals not included

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4.      READING OF BYLAWS

4.1     Council Procedure Amendment Bylaw

Any amendments to this Bylaw should take place at this time and prior to the question being called on second reading.

Then third reading.

4.2     Animal Control and Licence Amendment Bylaw

re limitations on commercial dog walking on Hollyburn Ridge trails

reading consideration by Council

5.      PERMITS, LICENCES AND SHOW CAUSE HEARINGS

5.1     Development Permit Application (for subdivision) 6220 St. George's Place

receipt, no notification, lot line reconfiguration permit to be issued

6.      MATTERS POSTPONED FROM, TABLED, OR NOT DEALT WITH AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS

6.1     Noise Bylaw – 3767 Bayridge Avenue, West Vancouver

recommendation no further action be taken

7.      REPORTS FROM MUNICIPAL MANAGER AND DEPARTMENT HEADS

7.1     Official Community Plan (OCP) Presentation

7.2     Argyle Waterfront Acquisition Policy and Recommended Use of 1538 Argyle

receipt of report; Staff to be directed to proceed with a comprehensive report on the existing acquisition policy and future waterfront plan options for public discussion; the demolition of 1538 Argyle Avenue and conversion to interim public park use be approved.

7.3     Recycling Contract

A)      Yard Waste and Mixed Waste Recycling Services Contract.

RECOMMENDATION:

1.      THAT the Greater Vancouver Sewerage and Drainage District (GVS&DD) be advised of Council’s concurrence in awarding a five-year Yard Waste and Mixed Wood Waste Recycling Services contract to the highest rated Proponent on the GVS&DD’s recent Request for Proposals (RFP) for yard waste recycling; and

2.      THAT Council authorize the Mayor and Clerk to sign and seal a revised Yard Waste and Mixed Wood Waste Recycling Services agreement between the municipality and the GVS&DD reflecting the new terms and agreement with the successful Proponent to the GVS&DD's RFP.

B)      March 16, 2002 letter from British Properties Area Homeowners' Association re: Yard Trimmings Collection Program received for information.

7.4     Staff Report and Presentation re 2002 Capilano View Cemetery Master Plan

– Final Draft.

A)      Presentation by Manager, Park Services.

(To be circulated in the Supplemental Information Package)

B)      Staff Report

RECOMMENDATION:

Council endorse the Master Plan in principle and authorize staff to prepare for Council's consideration, a detailed operational and financial implementation plan including necessary bylaw amendments.

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10.     INFORMATION ITEMS for receipt

10.1    Committee and Board Meeting Minutes:

a)      Heritage Advisory Committee Minutes, February 12, 2002.

b)      Design Advisory Committee Minutes, February 28, 2002.

c)      Design Advisory Committee Minutes, March 07, 2002.

d)      Board of Variance Minutes, January 16, 2002.

e)      Board of Variance Minutes, February 20, 2002.

11.     CORRESPONDENCE receipt with recommendations

11.1    D. Gohavami, Chairman, The Iranian-Canadian Community Association of Western Canada, April 01, 2002 re Community Celebration at Ambleside Park.

-  Referred to the Director of Parks and Community Services for report.

11.2    C. Reynolds, President, North Shore Heritage Committee, April 3, 2002 re Request for Council to send condolences respecting the passing of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother on behalf of West Vancouver.

-  Referred to Mayor Wood for response.

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